Now her body has been exhumed from from the cemetery at Anchorage Memorial Park with the hope that DNA testing and facial reconstruction will lead to her being identified. How do you feel about the final film now that youve seen it? Roberts father, an overbearing man who never did care to have a decent relationship with his son, expected young Robert to be busy at work in the familys bakery whenever he wasnt in school. Its very specific and unique, and its that type of film. Identifying and finding Hansens weapon cache would prove essential to making the murder case against the Butcher, Baker. [Installment Two]. CINDY: A police officer at the Sixth Avenue police department. Your email address will not be published. CINDY: Regular Just working boots. Too often, Robert Hansen was believed instead of the women, many of them dancers or prostitutes, who testified against him. I was surprised that I could do it and then go home and be able to feel removed from it. FLOTHE: Tapes turned back on. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. FLOTHE: So it had a longer barrel than Hudgens: It was definitely the rape scene because we recreated that room to a T. I mean, everything that I was seeing, the emotions that I was feeling, were the exact same things that these young victims had gone through as well, and it was crazy living that, even though its make believe. Like a little Datsun station wagon. OK, well he was taking me from being downstairs to the airport, to go get in his plane, the seat was not in the back seat, it was in the trunk, cause he kept going from the trunk carrying things to fit in the airplane. Hudgens: I thought it was pretty spot on. FLOTHE: There is a kind of lightish scar there on your "In his mind there were good girls and bad girls.". So its early in the morning I absolutely adore him. He liked to take these women home with him, and once a victim had entered this killers lair she was pretty much doomed; he would take her down to the basement, often to a secret soundproof room where he already had chains rigged up. I said I could meet him at ten or else at eleven. And she, uh, cant remember if she wasnt there or she couldnt couldt meet me. FLOTHE: What was your phone number at that time? A MAJOR PHILANTHROPIST. Being in an office meant that team building happened naturally, and to re-create that connection virtually, takes a lot of To be authentic, inclusion needs action behind it. Hudgens: Were shooting for either late December or the beginning of next year. And he was very kind and giving as an actor, as well as John. The trooper instinctively knew that the girl had been telling the whole truth, that Robert was his killer, and more women were going to die unless he was quickly stopped. He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. CINDY: No. Interesting stuff. Only reason I know was cause I was layin there. Big ol like caribou and goats heads, big ones stuffed everywhere. Required fields are marked *. But that's not the only discrepancy, another Hansen victim, DeLynn Frey, reportedly also was found near the same lake on the same day, but Mr Hoage said Frey was found near another lake in 1985. This site is not free, I pay more than $300 just to keep this. With Patreon you will receive exclusive posts and more, Morbid N' Macabre - 2023. CINDY: The Buick Century. Roberts first kill is either believed to have occurred in 1971, 1972, or 1973. CINDY: I think he gave me a five. That was why [Hansen] kept telling me to lay down. FLOTHE: OK. They look at them in a very specific way. Scott did an amazing job at keeping a very steady uproar and pace. CINDY: Yeah. or debate this issue live on our message boards. FLOTHE: Two hundred dollars is a lot of money Rothschild recounted watching Hansen transform into "the monster he was" the day prosecutors sat down with Hansen and laid out the evidence against him. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Hansen said she had a knife in her purse. The serial killer wasnt even on the suspect list anymore, hed been completely cleared. FLOTHE: OK. The date on her grave marker is April 24, 1984, one day off the date the body was found. FLOTHE: I wanna show you six pictures, Cindy, and the person that were talking about may or may not be in here. Cindy . Daily News reporter Sean Doogan contributed to this story. CINDY PAWLCYN Award-winning chef, cookbook author and founder of a dozen restaurants, Cindy Pawlcyn reveals a few of her secrets to starting a successful bus. And he contacts you. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. 10,285 views Aug 26, 2013 In an up close interview, former Disney sweetheart Vanessa Hudgens shares her admiration towards serial killer Robert Hansen's surviving victim Cindy Paulson .more. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. CINDY: Hey, for a blowjob in the car, hell yeah. He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. When his truck became stuck in the mud, the woman tried to run. "My gosh, she is running naked and in handcuffs on the streets of Anchorage scared to death," Rothschild recalled of the scene. Cindy had been with BC for 14 years (more than 30 years to date), managing a region and leading many projects when she felt something was missing. Cindy later recounted that Robert had offered her $200 bucks for oral sex, and that hed pulled a gun on her just as soon as she stepped inside his vehicle; the teen was driven back to Roberts home where she was chained to a beam by her throat, raped, and tortured for several hours. When I read it, I saw it as a character development project, but seeing it overall pulled it all in together. Ever since I was young, I wanted to be in a role where I could play a prostitute or a drug addict, because its nice to be able to portray someone who is so far from you, which I love. You enjoy my work and would like to read exclusive articles, you can join my Patreon for as little as $3! FLOTHE: OK. Vanessa Hudgens Talks THE FROZEN GROUND, Meeting the Real Cindy Paulson, MACHETE KILLS, GIMME SHELTER, and THE KITCHEN SINK. Do you remember what hes driving on Friday? If his social life hadnt been bad enough, he never could find much solace at home, either. However, she was never identified and Hansen died last month aged 75, while serving a 461-year sentence in Alaska. In the film inspired by true events, Hudgens character forms an unlikely partnership with Alaska State Trooper, Sgt. And do what he pleased with her. And he said well he was gonna start getting his moneys worth. (Cindy Paulson), Cindy Paulson Her name is Cindy Paulson. In this installment, Cindy talks about and proves her observational powers, in this case related to Robert Hansen's house on Old Harbor Road. Though Cindy was able to describe her attacker and his home in great detail, it didnt make any difference. He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. Only 12 bodies of the 17 women Hansen confessed to killing have been found. FLOTHE: Youre trying to get out? If Im unsure of something, I promise to tell you, and yall the dates in this case about drove me nuts. Cindy I notice that you are visibly upset and have tears and crying. OK, that wasnt even back there. He seemed really like a pretty good guy. FLOTHE: When did he tell you this? CINDY: Some times they were. FLOTHE: You think if I showed you some pictures of some cars later on you might be able to pick it out? CINDY: Yep. The cause of death will be determined by the medical examiner but it appears he died of natural causes, she said. Then he had got my other hand cuffed, I dont know how he did it, it was just frightening, cause I didnt really I fought, but not a lot, cause I knew he would do something. FLOTHE: OK. Where were you at when you saw him on a Friday? FLOTHE: And then he contacted you on Saturday. I wanted her to be like a real human being because its easy to label someone whos stuck in that circumstance. CINDY: Like a new Seville. FLOTHE: Either he had opened it or it was already open? Other times, he would let the women go free in the wilderness and then hunt them with his rifle. He had been placed in medical segregation in Anchorage, which is akin to being in the hospital, Daigle said at the time. Im just following my gut, and if its speaking to me, then Im doing it. FLOTHE: What did he ask you? Glenn Flothe. It was during this 30 month prison stint that he was diagnosed as bipolar with schizophrenic episodes, and wife number one filed for a divorce. And that, um, I was lucky because usually the other ones stayed a week. The Big Timber, Mush Inn, I dont, sorry, I cant remember which one. Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. CINDY: Its blue with a big ol picture window and the whole house is If you drive down Old Harbor Road, the windows on the right side and the garage is to the left. CINDY: OK. Hansen confessed to authorities that he had killed 17. I didnt know, there was, uh I I I couldnt see her that night cause it was during the week and Im running my bakery and I start there at 1:00 in the morning and, uh, she give me a phone number there for her at one of the motels. FLOTHE: And contact Cindy at this phone number and this room number He is just so punctual, and he always knows his lines, and hes there to get the job done. FLOTHE: Youre positive. No problem. We are all the same. Yes, Cindy Paulson is a real person, and as shown in the movie, she was one of the many women who were abducted by Robert Hansen. CINDY: Like a convertible (inaudible), 1978 Buick Century 4-Door Sedan (This photo is NOT Hansens Buick, but it is similar). In a police interview after Paulson's escape, she told him she got the feeling other people may live in the house. She had been engaging in sex work. I overslept. Its by far the craziest transformation Ive had yet. CINDY: He has kind of darkish, brownish hair. 2022 Anchorage Daily News. You see, when we was driving I observed everything. Kidnapped: The True Story of Cindy Paulson, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. It was smooth like Figure 20s handle, but the gun was shaped like Figure 21. Jack Halcombe (Nicolas Cage), who convinces her to help him bring Hansen to justice. FLOTHE: Was there anything else unusual about the house? Her eventual getaway was central to Hansen's ultimate capture and confession to the murder of dozens of women. Wanted to put some distance between them, in time and space, just in case somebody had seen them together. This was a secretive killer who is believed to have taken half of his murders with him to the grave. He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. It seems most likely that he was arrested for the sexual assaults in December of 71, remained in trouble with the law (he served a short prison sentence) throughout 72, and probably started killing after his release. Darla was an exceptionally intelligent woman with a masters degree in education who made her living by tutoring school children; she was also a devout Christian who believed in God and the sanctity of marriage with all of her heart and soul. Like a station wagon. As shown in 'The Frozen Ground,' Cindy Paulson was Hansen's only victim who got away while he was trying to load her into his aircraft. It became very accessible to me. CINDY: It was a really dark color. I actually shot that before I filmed this (The Frozen Ground) interestingly enough. CINDY: Uh huh. While there does not seem to be a singular traumatic event in Roberts childhood which we can pinpoint, it appears that hed had a really difficult time in most aspects of his life as a kid and even as an adult he just couldnt (or wouldnt) let it go. CINDY: About eleven, eleven-thirty. Do not sell or share my personal information. Uh, FR: Would it have been during the time when your wife and children were out of. Robert had been in the habit of keeping a souvenir from most of his hunting sessions, whether it be wild game or women. CINDY: No. You know, I was supposed to meet him. FLOTHE: Was there anybody with him on Friday? I really respect that. I always wanted to do dramas. Growing up Robert was scrawny, he had this terrible stutter, and a super bad case of acne; all of this made him the target of bullies everywhere. He was convicted of just four of the murders in a deal that spared him having to go to trial 17 times. I thought it was an amazing take on pop culture and where we are today and how the generation is so media-driven and see and be seen. It was just a really interesting take on college students. Your email address will not be published. Profiling is really an incredible science, its amazing how even the littlest details about a killer can be told by their crimes. FLOTHE: OK. And when he pulled up, did you just go get in the car, or did you talk to him I just want to do everything. * I strive to be as concise as possible when it comes to facts as theres no telling what an article may be used for. CINDY: Yep. She would, of course, run like hell for her life, but the killer would track her down. It seems that every source I looked at says something different, though generally within those three years. FLOTHE: What kind of boots? FLOTHE: OK. And so, I was guided along very beautifully by them. Same with the two sexual assaults; I have an arrest date of December 1971, but as for the date of the crimes or whether he was arrested for both at the same time (which I assume to be the case) is unclear. Hansen was officially charged with the abduction and rape of Cindy Paulson and the murders of Joanna Messina, Sherry Morrow, Paula Goulding, and the unidentified body known as "Eklutna Annie." On February 28, 1984, Robert Hansen was sentenced to 461 years plus life in prison with no parole. Darla eventually obtained a teaching job in Russia, and as far as I can tell she remains there today: the kids made lives for themselves somewhere in the American Midwest. There, he held her captive and proceeded to rape and torture her. Since his release from the Iowan prison, Robert had been arrested more than once for crimes such as shoplifting, but somewhere around 71 and 72 he was arrested for having sexually assaulted both a sex worker and a housewife by the names of Patricia Roberts and Susan Heppeard. Then on the night, and when this I guess, really began, uh, I met her up town after, well, on the Saturday, CINDY:(Inaudible) gave the gentleman my telephone number and asked him to call me. The stuffed heads of the animals which hed killed lined his walls, and damming items such as unique jewelry pieces which could easily be linked back to many of the missing women were found within the home as well. He offered me $200 for a blowjob in the car, cause I wouldnt go to his place. Mr Hoage said the woman was among cases of unidentified and missing people that were being reviewed by the center, with authorities receiving permission for the exhumation, the day before Hansen died. Women were tortured, beaten and assaulted before being blindfolded, with their hands bound behind their backs and told to run. Hudgens: Nothing that I want to talk about quite yet. It was super fun and really quick. Ducks and birds. Email khopkins@adn.com. FLOTHE: Did you give him your phone number or did he write it down on something? When will it be released? He was really sweet. Was it fun watching them go toe to toe? CINDY: Yes. CINDY: Uh huh. CINDY: Yep. Hansen couldn't or wouldn't help identify her. FLOTHE: What was he driving then, Sunday night? FLOTHE: Oh and you saw a sign that said Dead End? After we get in the garage we gotta go up these stairs. Let's get it straight: "My wife befriended Cindy for months at all hours of the night and morning without ever meeting her until two days before she was to testify against Hansen. FLOTHE: And then you overslept and consequently didnt meet him. And it had a long barrel (turning of pages) like Figure 4 or (pause) Figure 2. CINDY: Uh huh. Paulson told Flothe in her interview, which is published in full on Leland Hale's website, the man who wrote Butcher, Baker: The True Account of an Alaskan Serial Killer: CINDY: He just said,. It was a red scar FLOTHE: At this time, so I know what youre talking about, cause I have not been in the house, Cindy Hudgens: That was great. (inaudible) The horns that were up there, the big ol antler horns, theyre called. Hudgens: Oh my gosh, Nic is the most professional actor Ive ever worked with and that I probably will ever work with. He intended to do the same with Cindy on June 13, 1983. (Source: Anchorage Police Department) Cindy Paulson was a 17-year-old dancer and sex worker living in Anchorage with her mother. FLOTHE: You also described the outside of the house. CINDY: (interrupting) Well, I went over there cause at first I didnt recognize him. Robert Hansens first encounter with Cindy Paulson seemed inauspicious. Its a over shirt. And he had cuffed one of my hands, and I was trying to get loose and he pulled out a gun. What was your reaction when you first read the script? I feel like women have an easier time separating from their characters than men do, honestly. CINDY: A little moustache. (pause) The security guard at that time CINDY: It was a big revolver gun, like a police gun. There was this aha moment that there are a lot of people like me within the company. It had never crossed her mind. CINDY: Yeah. He picked her up in town and told her he was driving her to his home in Muldoon, he said. Cause this motherfucker wasnt getting away with it. I play Cereza which means Cherry in Spanish which says a lot about the character. FLOTHE: How about the glasses? Im a little confused about when the airplane seat got in and out of the car. CINDY: He wrote it down on a (inaudible). And, uh, I called back to her the next the next day or some oth or day or two afterwards. And he had a green shirt or else it was plaid. Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. Healthy mother-of-two, 32, collapsed and died from brain bleed while she led fitness bounce class, Taking Vitamin D each day could cut your chances of getting dementia, study claims. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. I said, no, we can go to my place. He said, no, he didnt want to. Over the last 30 years, Cindy has facilitated more than 100 successful workshops/work sessions, including a dozen all-day . And he said well he was gonna start getting his moneys worth. CINDY: It was probably about a 72, cream-colored Datsun, with a kinda station wagon in the back, the kind that you used to It was about a 72 or 73. 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