Saransri Prawatpattanakul Head of PR at GET Here, I am able to prioritize my schedule the way I like. Nadiem: And all these hows. Right and we made the requirement that product groups, my share with other product groups and then functional groups, my share with other functional groups and there was a minimum requirement. Kevin: I think for me, I agree with everything that you said. Yeah. It can be anyone who just wants to have a sense of contribution. We all do our bit to make sure its transparent and open to innovation. The lower layer has to contribute to the middle layer. And we're also much further from the problem. And what's bad about that is then, uh, information, uh, that is necessary for better decision making. It's like the favorite catch word. Yeah. That makes them feel more safe. Right. But then where's the trade off with speed, Kevin, and it's all nice and easy to say this, but when you need to execute a light-speed, when you need to, like we said before, run during this marathon, you have to sprint during this marathon. And so it's very easy to kind of, you know, create that alignment and people are excited. Nadiem: Like they want to be the best at recommendations. Massive moats. And there's a lot of different ways to define what really matters. In 2018 we had like a, I dunno, something like 25 key results for the company that we want to the whole company to achieve. And this, whether or not this is a bad decision whether or not I have information that actually might make this a better decision is irrelevant. Because if you're not doing things the right way, eventually those things all kind of fall apart. With which to decide what to be the best that because it's not just to be the best, that it's something you can leap frog, either competition or any kind of state you can be the best at something that truly matters to that end user. We're all about that. I think the habit of just like, hey, like, let's do this. A great way to understand an organization is to ask, Why should someone work there?. Yeah, just can't do everything. Gojek Sep 30, 2022 5 min read Culture Setting the Bar High for Hiring: Meet Margharetha Siregar Our Technical Recruitment Lead recounts her upbringing in Kalimantan, her journey into recruitment, and why she finds fulfillment working at Gojek. Making that extra effort to learn, listen and grow together. Operations expand beyond Jakarta. Kevin: Yeah, I think so. We occupy 3 floors of a building in Bangalore's Diamond. I feel exactly the same. It's like, okay, if I am the leader here, I am the most senior person within this group of other people and I am not the one who's coming up with the ideas and I am not the one that's getting credit for making the right calls or coming up with the right ideas, then what is my value? So that's where the challenge I think is also kind of getting the incentives. Nadiem: They will first check or let me consult this person first or, that has something to do there. Nadiem: I think that's what, that's the theme that we wanted to talk today. So you have to have targets at the top and everything has to be MC, the middle layer has to contribute to the top layer. Uh, but then it just didn't, it, it didn't matter. But in the bigger scheme of things, it's not what truly matters to their end user. I think actually these two parts or these two themes actually almost go hand in hand in that sense. You name it we do it. Bertahun-tahun mereka mengedepankan lingkungan bekerja yang seru . Google. Yeah. That's a really hard thing to save for I would say anyone. Nadiem: Right. Right? Like it's not, it's not just an ignorance of it. Because it's easy to say, oh, those things don't matter and it's easy. And that's okay. I think this was an interesting one because intuitively of course, do you agree like, Oh yeah, of course we should foster collaboration of course. You just like, fuck, I've just spent like an hour and a half on my life just like in a YouTube hole. Where do you draw the balance of this bottom up? And that is actually you run into huge amounts of problems, cascading targets that way. How well and how quickly can I do it? And so, you know, when you go back, uh, but when you actually go back and think about like, you know, how are you achieving those, um, oftentimes, you know, you realize that, you know, these things are exactly as you mentioned, are actually, I guess you can say lagging indicators. In a hyper-growth organization like GO-JEK, technology plays a vital role. Kevin: What artificial intelligence. Everyone, you know, media is writing about, look at all this amazing stuff. But these apps that connect drivers to passengers are creating competition for established. Right. WeWork Calle 26 # 92-32 in Bogota, Colombia. Implement. GO FIGURE is a podcast dedicated to expose the inner workings of ambitious tech companies in the emerging world. And its not just me, most of us at GO-JEK will have a similar answer. Let's have these explicit conversations. Yeah. "gojek is a pioneering technology company with an extensive ecosystem of 18 diverse services, backed by a strong group of strategic investors. Orders explode from 3,000 to 100,000 a day. We like to talk about things we like and talk about things we don't like. Yeah. Right. And the third is some material incentive, right. I think, um, there's almost a cost to it actually. Innovation Solve problems at scale. "Organizational culture defines a jointly shared description of an organization from within." Bruce Perron Culture is a process of "sense-making" in organizations. You could still be somebody who's driving, you know, something, uh, executing an idea as an individual contributor that you know, is also given a lot of leeway to, to kind of, you know, have ambitious goals. Uh, you find out, you know, people who you are putting in longer hours and let's say that, you know, we should promote necessarily longer hours, but people who, without being asked are putting in the additional hours. Crosses 190 million app downloads. It's about being the best at what truly matters, which is about a focus. Bringing them together, bringing out the best in them, and enriching your company culture in the process. And what's really interesting about it is that all these hows have no short term payoffs. Nadiem: A lot of people confuse that. Fantastic for short term but disastrous for long term. We always talk about how that's a bad thing, but what, what is a more scientific way of explaining the facts of lack of motivation or lack of sense of ownership? An organization's core values describe how group members should treat one another, how employees can expect to be treated, and what central values everyone at the company shares. Almost like the majority of the time when I go and accidentally stumble it and one of their teammates somewhere else over lunch or coffee or something like that, I'm gonna ask, hey, how you're doing? Move Accounting W. Move Sales A. This thing that I've been doing for a while actually doesn't really matter. * Sebagai Starting from a reflection of what our GoTroops think, feel, and do during their work at Gojek, we initiated peer learning and QnA sessions with learning experts at Gojek. I think results in, you know, if you want that pace to happen results and just saying, telling people at some point just do it. Nadiem: They don't count. Every piece of code we ship and our efforts to make sure our customers have a better experience. Yup. Um, and I think that's kind of something that even today, I think us as an organization we're still grappling with. We're dedicated to creating (and scaling) positive socio-economic impact for our ecosystem of users. Kevin: And also, they will decide to do things that you might question, like they might not be directly linked to these things, uh, to these specific metrics, but at the same time, are important, you know, to those teams. Built a culture of high data literacy. Google is home to countless communities of unique people. Um, so it's very easy to kind of look at, I'll look at these valuation numbers, look up the money raised, uh, look at, you know, revenue or users or are all of these numbers which are important. You can see this happening in our every day conversations. If you just kind of have to really view things from you know, a problem or customer or user first. Right. I think there's also oftentimes that question from, from a lot of folks who then, you know, or might be resistant towards this idea, it inherently kind of challenges, um, maybe, you know, traditional notions of what somebody in a leadership position should be doing. But they rationalize how they're going to help achieve that metric as opposed to we set these very prescriptive targets and goals and then each then the, the groups take it on and then the sub-groups take it on. Those issues happen. The best bottom up leaders were like, hold on, let me talk to my team first. And I think that kind of like ties us all together. Nadiem: but that's the difference, right? So in 2019, there's three specific strategic themes that GOJEK has that represent our longterm investments. Thanks so much for tuning in. And what we did in 2019 is that we reduced it to seven basically. Right. For a product designer, Gojek is a great place to be. Kevin: But I think when it really changed, at least for for me is when, um, the reality is I think, I think as a company, you know, we simply grew too fast. We are here because of each other. Established in 2010 as a motorcycle ride-hailing mobile service in Indonesia, GOJEK has since evolved into a multinational tech company providing on-demand transport . Does it, you mean do people actually care? Like usually the, what I've realized is that the more talented a person is their level of disillusionment when they hit that kind of top down mindset without actually being able to air or voice their opinion effectively enough and guide the direction of whatever scope they're doing is even more cataclysmic for great talent. It's gonna be what where we are going to do or be our best at. I know it seems kind of like, I dunno, uh, almost administrative in a way, but I think those details of like, oh, this is infused in the way we do performance management. Um, uh, became, it morphed into top down because in order to, in a top down into, I would say a negative way because you know, in order to be able to influence with a hundred percent certainty, like hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of people, you have to be extremely forceful, right? Right? We grew 900x in 18 months and still rapidly doubling. Kevin: Yeah. Right. Move Marketing A. I think just forcing, just saying that, hey, collaborate more without it being bottom up I think probably makes top down worse, right? Like what, what does this mean? Repeat. That's right. Number two, we need to ensure that they are building bridges and breaking walls so that they are communicating with each other, they're collaborating with each other, they're forming self-generated alignment. Listed Fortunes favorite again! All structured data from the main, Property, Lexeme, and EntitySchema namespaces is available under the Creative Commons CC0 License; text in the other namespaces is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply.By using this site, you agree to the Terms of . Know our journey, and the people behind it. This person's been crushing it. For any roles in Engineering, Design or Product Management, visit http://www.gojek.io/careers. And this can be a very powerful thing when combined with bottom up innovation because what truly matters to the user. Right? I think coming in year three, four, five and then 10 years is exponentially greater. Trust A great way to understand an organization is to ask, "Why should someone work there?" For me, it's the people. Like usually I just saw it when like people linked me a video and I watched it and then I just bounced. Pamela Chan Sep 23, 2022 4 min read Culture From the East to West and back: Meet Giri Kuncoro Like the end, Oh, you had all these ideas. Nadiem: That's right. This is one thing that I think all companies, including ourselves are consistently terrible at consistently. Through a divisional approach, the departments are grouped by-products. There is a cultural payoff in an organization for helping another group out or another team out even though it doesn't directly fall under yours, but we took some forcing like some really, really interesting policy changes from processes that we took forth as a result of this. If you liked it, please hit like, subscribe and follow us on social media. Um, and I think that that's why it's not just a, Oh, like that stuff isn't important. I guess processes if you will. Kevin: Yeah, yeah. Well, what for you, it's when, you know, you're trying to, when you're trying to raise something, right? It was good. GET allows me to have initiative and be creative. Strong Communication and teamwork trans-sectored is wanted in the Corporate Culture at Google. Hmm. Being given that freedom to even as an individual contributor to kind of figure it out and actually deliver something great, I think is definitely the kind of people that, you know, we try and have more and more of and we just kind of people that we want to appreciate because of, through this policy. Just like saving a dollar every day. I have the inverse of that as the red flag. Right. Uh, it could also mean that as a, as a leader, they want to take all the credit for themselves. Were now talking 100 million orders a day. Like what should they do and, and what would you give them credit for? But I really think that, you know, YouTube have such a large advantage, I think in the general video space I really don't see how they could get challenged in the near term. And so if you kind of focus too much on the what and the output here, which is just like all me, uh, then the easiest thing to do is just for, it's for me to always make it look like, you know, I'm the person who has all the ideas and the execution to my boss. Kevin: Well, I think it's, uh, people don't even see it as a short term, right? The Wisdom List: Kevin Aluwi. Nadiem: The compound. Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful. "We had teams in DC, but no . GOJEK does ride hailing, food delivery, payments even on demand massages. Grows 1,100x in total volume of transaction. Kevin: Well, I think a few things, right? And what's the difference between thought leadership and just being really good at execution? Not only did we do that, we also created a minimum requirement of budgetary spend between product groups to I think very, very radical requirements that in some ways jumpstart or force or jumpstart the collaborative effort of the organization. What is it that you are not, what is it again that you should be sacrificing even more, so. And then it's like a cascading process. In all companies. Move Customer Service L. Move HR S. Move Deputy HR H. Move HR Operations B. And I think courage to believe that those unsexy, slower, more painful investments you put into your organizations will ultimately lead to far longer successful run, and in a much more sustainable way. They're very hard at realizing value up early. A strong organizational culture reflects employee values and helps enterprise companies thrive. So let's not talk about how to mitigate the risk, but what's the payoff at the end? You can't just, you can't just throw it out there. Right. Spreads wings across Vietnam and Thailand. From the land of Jakarta - 20 motorcycle taxis, 1 call centre, and a mission to remove friction from peoples lives. Right? I don't have to think, because as long as I said my boss did it, I'm safe. If you just set from top down that, that direction without actually taking in the feedback and inputs of each of those key leads under you, I think that's where the beginning of the end, you know, like that's where you start losing credibility, you start losing trust and you start losing motivation. Culture as organizational personality Adaptive Organizational Culture Unadaptive Organizational Culture Visible Behavior Pemimpin mencermati semua yang mendukung mereka, terutama pelanggan, dan memprakarsai perubahan bila diperlukan untuk melayani kepentingan mereka, sekalipun hal tersebut beresiko Manajer cendrung bertingkah laku agak picik, berbau politis dan birokratis. There are a trove of new projects both teams are cooking up. I think that's dangerous, right? And then we come to the third kind of strategic theme, which is be the best at what matters. We dont claim to know what it takes to build a culture that can scale. Right. Like, I mean, growing up I think we all were, and then, and, kids who probably question authority. Unknown problems. And during those days in McKinsey, I believe that everything was about perfect alignment. So there's all these factors, but overall, as a general characteristic, some of the things that even I struggle with, by the way, so I'm not saying I, yeah, I'm very good at this as well. This isnt to say that we dont disagree like any group of passionate, opinionated people, we disagree often. However, as an organization matures, the hard part is not scaling the technology, but paying heed to culture. Clocks 3,600x growth in 18 months. Creating a verbal communication ritual, uh, sharing a problem and resisting sharing the solution until all parties have spoken in your team. It's basically another word for our target setting and goal setting. Nadiem: Well did I think, I think we've covered a lot of ground here. Thats one of the fastest in the world. That's a short term. Nadiem: Debatable. Gojek becomes Indonesias first unicorn. Nadiem: Yeah. So I think on the planning process, what's your idea of an ideal bottom up leader? The products may be interrelated but they have their particular descriptions. The other is fear. The recommendations are just amazing, right? Yeah. And this is infused in how we run meetings and cadences. Share this post. We actually forced groups to share their key results. Corporate culture is often referred to as "the character of an organization," representing the collective behavior of people using common corporate vision, goals, shared values, attitudes, habits, working language, systems, and symbols. Hmm. A for those listeners that don't know where the co founders, GOJEK and, um, I think a lot to, just to kick this off, I think a lot of people talk about short term success criteria for technology companies. And it doesn't have to be me who's like more on the end of the entrepreneurial scale. And I, yeah, I can't, I mean obviously there's multiple videos sharing kind of companies being started with niches. Uh, rather than thinking about, you know, building an enduring company or in doing business. Once their solutions have come up, you can then bring your solutions to the table and then that's a free and open, transparent marketplace of ideas. Right? Um, let's, let's ignore all of these. And getting feedback from people about that. Like instead of going up, Oh Kevin, you've got this major issue with allocation in this one city, I need you to immediately pump up incentives right now by this percent so that we can hit a BCR of this percent. Kevin: Yeah. Nadiem: As opposed to solving the problem. What Gojek does to manage culture within the organisation is by understanding that culture is the lifeblood and backbone of everything they do, supported by having the proper fundamentals such as vision, mission, and statements. Indonesian technology company. And, and there were some clear benefits to that. In a hyper-growth organization like GO-JEK, technology plays a vital role. And this is a theme around focus. And I think in a world where, you know, a company is growing and in a world where there is competitive pressure obviously in many different, you know, from many different angles in the business, I think there is the temptation to say, oh, we have to win every single thing. Cool. It is an actual, you know, tradeoffs that you have to make and some of the trade offs you're asking about the trade offs, what's the risk of doing it, things like that. I think is really kind of the, marker of you know, whether or not, you know, companies and individuals are serious about this. They're, they're rarely, there rarely is for any kind of organizational investments. Yeah. Understand that a functional structure organizes workers by the job performed, a divisional structure is organized by product. Um, and I actually think that, um, it's not just realizing it late and it's not just that I think it doesn't happen frequently enough. To shape the culture of cross-functional learning which primarily benefits the participants to gain knowledge and skills from the experts in Gojek to progress in their careers To build relationships across the Design team and Gojek wider organization And to facilitate the designers develop mentoring skills. And the what you know, is easy to validated are those, you know, those numbers, uh, those, uh, those media stories are easy to kind of, um, it's easy to see that, oh, that's kind of the, uh, the, the objective. and the free food and food corners, Google encourage the "Googlers" to communicate extensively within the organization. Right. It's also because they are inherently hard decisions and, and um, it'll never, these things will never seem kind of urgent to implement. Kevin: That's right. Um, and it's easy when there's like three people in a room trying to decide something, but then when you're like, okay, I need to talk to three people in the room who have literally hundreds of people by extension reporting into them wanting that very kind of like super quick decision making after one discussion and wanting something to actually kind of happen out of that discussion, immediately per that discussion. You give them credit for to mitigate the risk, but no is about focus. 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